I've seen people swear by transmute saying its procced for 5 and that they've made a ton. But i've had a different experience.
First off, the two quests:
For transmute you need 4 primal mights, on my server they sell for 90-100g each, so thats 400g, just to get the spec. Either 400g, or ALOT of farming (4 of each primal).
The Elixir quest requires you to make about 3 stacks of different elixirs, usually involving terocone, and it asks you to go to the black morass and grab "rift essences" off the portal dragons (10).
Now heres how I see it. I'm a warlock so I like farming and doing quests, I would never sit around town for the purpous of spamming my transmute message, I do it when i'm in town but would never go out of my way to just sit there.
Noone ever buys a transmute anymore, it's always transmuters farming the mats and transmuting for themselves. But lets compare the profit. You farm the mats, convert it to a primal might, and sell it for 100g with each primal selling roughly at 20g.
At this point, you're not doing anything special, you're not making a profit. All you're doing is farming primals which you could have sold at 20g each for the same profit you make of wasting your cooldown and selling the primal might.
Heres where your spec comes in, you get the % factor to proc more primal mights, but thats only once a day, or should I say, once every 24 hours.
Now for the elixir mastery, it has the chance to proc flasks, some of the flasks i've seen sell for even MORE than primals and transmute items. It has the chance to proc 4 or 5 elixirs at once. This doesn't just give me a profit by saving herbs, but it's creating a whole new vial (correct me if im wrong, but I believe if you proc an elixir for x2/x3/x4/x5 etc. you don't use extra vials, thus saving you an extra 2g 70 or 3g that you pay per 5 vials).
24 hour transmute proc vs. anytime elixir proc:
The transmute can only proc every 24 hours, within those 24 hours, the elixir alchemist can keep on pumping out elixirs and giving it a chance to proc on the creation of EACH elixir, thus in my opinion, making Elixir Mastery alot more profitable than Transmute Mastery.
I thought transmute mastery looked cool, with the ethereals and everything. But even the idea of getting someone to pay you 5-10g to transmute their mats and then walking away with extra primals is becoming less and less. I had a guy who actually asked me if I was transmute mastery and if I had "gotten an extra" after I did his transmute. More and more people will want you in a group to see if it procs, and might possibly demand that extra 2/3/4 transmuted item from you for additional gold (say 5g per extra, which is nothing really compared to the cost of the transmute item).
So in my opinion, i'm leaning towards elixirs, as it looks more profitable, what are your thoughts?|||I actually chosed Potion mastery 8-() My reasoning is that sooner or later Blizzard will realise that potion mastery sucks, will buff it beyond our wildest dreams and then I will wtfpwn...;-)
Seriously, both elixir and transmute are more profitable and better in every way. But, I usually am quite careless with my own potion consumption and can at least for now actually sell healing/mana pots for a descent profit on my AH.|||Well let me say for the record... they can kiss my rear end. If I was transmute mastery and was doing a transmute for someone they are welcome to be in my group and see if it procs all they want. They paid for one transmute, they are getting what they paid for. If they see x5 next to the result they could be unhappy all they want but I'm keeping 4. They didn't take alchemy and choose to master in transmutes. I did... and I'm gonna reap the benefit. You don't like it? Find someone else to transmute your primals... I could care less because there is a lot more gold to be made from grinding than a puny 5g tip for transmuting your crap every 24 hours.
That being said... I chose elixir master because I find myself using a lot more elixirs these days.|||Quote:
That being said... I chose elixir master because I find myself using a lot more elixirs these days.
+1, and with how many people are doing transmutes for free (or next to nothing) lately -- elixers are making way more profit, especially flasks... in my opinion, it isn't even comparible. Maybe at first i woulda taken up transmute, but now its elixer mastery hands down.|||Quote:
+1, and with how many people are doing transmutes for free (or next to nothing) lately -- elixers are making way more profit, especially flasks... in my opinion, it isn't even comparible. Maybe at first i woulda taken up transmute, but now its elixer mastery hands down.
I actually have two alchemists....The first is transmute mastery, and I intend to keep a primal might on hand at all times...When someone wants a primal might xmute, they give me the mats and 10g, and I give them a primal might in the same single trade....I'll do the transmute later, and will keep any extra primal mights that result, selling them later.
Not sure what the second alch will be yet...She's 310 alch.|||On one hand if you keep making potions potion/elixir is better. On the other hand you need to have the money and time to buy the mats to make the potions and sell them to buy more mats (or farm the mats but that's even worse). So if you're lazy, transmute wins because you only need to spam trade chat for a bit, or better, spend a couple minutes a week on the ah looking for reasonably priced primals and buy those to use in the transmute as soon as it's up (and keep a stack so you never have to buy overpriced). Then again if you're not lazy potions/elixirs can make a good profit.
But also you can look at it that everyone that want elixirs will give it to elixir specialists to make thus reducing the actual value of the items. Say if on average you get 12 elixirs instead of 10 for 10g worth of mats, each will sell for 10/12=0.83g, because everyone will let specialists make their potions/elixirs because of no cooldown. Transmutes, on the other hand, have a cooldown so the potion/elixir specs will still do the transmutes, just like tailors keep making all 3 kinds of cloth even though the cloth of your spec is much cheaper to make because you get double (to take advantage of the cooldown which is very valuable even if you're not specced for it).
IMO that's all the info that can help you that can be posted in a forum... the rest of the info you need to choose is 1. How you play and 2. How it works on YOUR server.|||Quote:
On one hand if you keep making potions potion/elixir is better. On the other hand you need to have the money and time to buy the mats to make the potions and sell them to buy more mats (or farm the mats but that's even worse). So if you're lazy, transmute wins because you only need to spam trade chat for a bit, or better, spend a couple minutes a week on the ah looking for reasonably priced primals and buy those to use in the transmute as soon as it's up (and keep a stack so you never have to buy overpriced). Then again if you're not lazy potions/elixirs can make a good profit.
But also you can look at it that everyone that want elixirs will give it to elixir specialists to make thus reducing the actual value of the items. Say if on average you get 12 elixirs instead of 10 for 10g worth of mats, each will sell for 10/12=0.83g, because everyone will let specialists make their potions/elixirs because of no cooldown. Transmutes, on the other hand, have a cooldown so the potion/elixir specs will still do the transmutes, just like tailors keep making all 3 kinds of cloth even though the cloth of your spec is much cheaper to make because you get double (to take advantage of the cooldown which is very valuable even if you're not specced for it).
IMO that's all the info that can help you that can be posted in a forum... the rest of the info you need to choose is 1. How you play and 2. How it works on YOUR server.
True, but on my server noone wants a transmute, they just buy the primals off the AH, so I think farming mats for transmutes is harder than herbing.
You brought up a good point though, people will bring their mats to elixir specialists, but thats good, because it gives me more of a chance to get those "discovery" things hehe. Then again, the mats are often times more expensive than the actual potions, since they factor the price of desperate people trying to level their alchemy, so buying herbs to have them made by an elixir specialist wouldn't save gold, on my server atleast.
Also check out the thread on the WoW forum, some people have done 20 transmutes without it proccing once. I looked at atleast 30-40 "transmute logs", not impressive in my opinion. I saw very few people getting 4-5 procs, it looked awesome but imo, not worth it, even if it procs like that, thats basically the cost it took to complete the quest.
They even have a 30 page petition to let them spec out of transmute mastery. As I look into this, elixir is looking better and better heh.|||Quote:
True, but on my server noone wants a transmute, they just buy the primals off the AH, so I think farming mats for transmutes is harder than herbing.
so? You buy the "from" primal, transmute it, then put the "to" primal on the AH, then someone buys it. The trick is buying cheap ones and selling the expensive ones, and as Galz said, you keep an eye on the AH so you're always ready to snag deals. Obviously half the the transmutes will be worthless to make money, and the others will make different amounts of money at different times depending on your server age and population.
Back when 60 was the cap, i made my mount money this way. Early on I could transmute life to earth (essences not primals) and make 15-20 gold a day. This was way better than arcanite (which i only did for friends because it was so ridiculously low priced). Later that one became popular and the price of earth fell, so I switched to transmute undeath to water, and make 5 gold a day doing that. I always watched the AH, and had several stacks of the "from" essence at all times. WHen i was bored or not playing, i logged in, did a transmute, then logged off. 5 gold for 5 minutes isn't bad.
Now is a good time when people are skilling up their craft skills and desperately want primals and are willing to overpay, at least on my server.|||yeah I need to find a primal life to primal anything transmute. Motes of life are dirt cheap on my server and all the rest are expensive.|||Only one I've heard of yet is Primal Life to Earth. I've looked high and low for a vendor for it, but it seems it's one of these "hidden" recipes.
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